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  • Margot
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 2

    #1

    how to tell SNPs synonymous v. nonsynonymous

    Hi,
    I have aligned my Illumina reads to hg19 and used SAMtools to give me a list of SNPs. I uploaded the list of SNPs to Galaxy and used tools there to filter out all dbSNPs and to select only the SNPs that are in coding exons. Now I would like to determine whether the each SNP is synonymous or nonsynonymous. Is there an automated way of doing this? It will take me a long time if I need to enter each SNP into the UCSC browser to see whether it changes the amino acid.
  • townway
    Member
    • May 2009
    • 41

    #2
    I have the same problem as well

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    • Jon_Keats
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 279

      #3
      Finding the good ones

      Originally posted by Margot View Post
      Hi,
      I have aligned my Illumina reads to hg19 and used SAMtools to give me a list of SNPs. I uploaded the list of SNPs to Galaxy and used tools there to filter out all dbSNPs and to select only the SNPs that are in coding exons. Now I would like to determine whether the each SNP is synonymous or nonsynonymous. Is there an automated way of doing this? It will take me a long time if I need to enter each SNP into the UCSC browser to see whether it changes the amino acid.
      Hi Margot,

      I use SIFT (http://sift.jcvi.org/) to do this and I check it does support hg19/GRCh37. It works relatively fast and is fairly user friendly, though I wish they didn't use * for nonsense codons...really messes up my database but you can replace them in excel using find/replace with find=~* and replace=X

      Hope that helps,

      Jonathan

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      • cgj
        Junior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 3

        #4
        another tool is http://gvs.gs.washington.edu/SeattleSeqAnnotation/

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        • Jon_Keats
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2010
          • 279

          #5
          Looks like the SeattleSeqAnnotation only supports NCBI36/hg18 1-indexed and doesn't support the new GRCh37/hg19 genome build, but that was only on a quick check so I might be wrong. Anyone with experience with both?

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          • cgj
            Junior Member
            • Aug 2009
            • 3

            #6
            As far as I know you are right see http://gvs.gs.washington.edu/Seattle...lpHowToUse.jsp

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            • Margot
              Junior Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 2

              #7
              Thanks for the help!

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              • cdragon
                Professor of Health Informatic
                • Jan 2010
                • 12

                #8
                I would suggest you to write a program by yourself.

                By definition, "synonymous" means that a change in a nucleotide position doesn't change the translated amino acid, whereas "non-synonymous" changes. So you need to decide the translational frame of the exon and the codon usage table of your organism and organelle, before you can determine whether each SNP is "synonymous" or "non-synonymous".
                Website: http://www.fengfengzhou.org/FengfengZhou/

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                • bair
                  Member
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 65

                  #9
                  Thanks for the information which I'm looking for. Sift needs SNPs' direction while gvs only needs ref_allele, first/second allele, no strand required.

                  samtools pileup does not provide strand information, does it matter that I just give 1 or -1 for sift to run? thanks.

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                  • Jon_Keats
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 279

                    #10
                    Originally posted by bair View Post
                    Thanks for the information which I'm looking for. Sift needs SNPs' direction while gvs only needs ref_allele, first/second allele, no strand required.

                    samtools pileup does not provide strand information, does it matter that I just give 1 or -1 for sift to run? thanks.
                    For SIFT you can just mark all SNPs as forward strand if the strand is not known.

                    "Orientation:
                    Use 1 for positve strand and -1 for negative strand. If orientation is not known, use 1 as default."
                    The one trick I noticed is that you must always include the known reference allele as the first allele in the allele column otherwise it defaults to reporting a synonymous SNP. I caught this issue after two samples had the identical mutation but one was heterozygous with the reference allele (Call nonsynonymous) and the other was homozygous for the mutation (Called synonymous).

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                    • bair
                      Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 65

                      #11
                      Thank you Jon, the trick is very helpful, I need to be careful to modify my input file.
                      Actually I have not setup sift yet, may worth to compare the outputs from sift and gvs.

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                      • BetterPrimate
                        Member
                        • May 2010
                        • 15

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Margot View Post
                        I uploaded the list of SNPs to Galaxy and used tools there to filter out all dbSNPs and to select only the SNPs that are in coding exons. Now I would like to determine whether the each SNP is synonymous or nonsynonymous.
                        Late answer I know, but this is a very common requirement so this may help someone. Unfortunately Galaxy lacks a simple SNV annotation tool, but with some work you *can* separate your synonymous and nonsynonymous Galaxy (hint: read the help text for the "Mutate Codons" tool).

                        Or you could use a variant annotation tool e.g.:




                        http://www.ualberta.ca/~stothard/dow...SNP/index.html

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                        • cgj
                          Junior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 3

                          #13
                          Originally posted by BetterPrimate View Post
                          Late answer I know, but this is a very common requirement so this may help someone. Unfortunately Galaxy lacks a simple SNV annotation tool, but with some work you *can* separate your synonymous and nonsynonymous Galaxy (hint: read the help text for the "Mutate Codons" tool).

                          Or you could use a variant annotation tool e.g.:




                          http://www.ualberta.ca/~stothard/dow...SNP/index.html
                          Thank you very much.

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                          • NGSfan
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 181

                            #14
                            Use the latest ANNOVAR program... it's great!

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                            • laura
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 151

                              #15
                              The ensembl snp effect predictor is very good for this

                              http://bioinformatics.oxfordjournals...6/16/2069.full
                              http://www.ensembl.org/Homo_sapiens/...loadVariations

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