bwa sampe very slow

[cbeck]

Hi rskr,
Can you think of a reason why the partners wouldn't be pairs?

[rskr]

BWA isn't name aware, so if the reads are out of parity during bwa sampe, it will try to model two partners which aren't proper pairs, which most likely aren't in the same neighborhood in the correct direction, so it will default to the Smith-waterman local search, which is very expensive computationally.

[cbeck]

Heyo,
I guess I am getting the same issues as Nat was on our Illumina indexed runs -

[bwa_sai2sam_pe_core] convert to sequence coordinate...
[infer_isize] (25, 50, 75) percentile: (10801, 27183, 54186)
[infer_isize] low and high boundaries: 76 and 140956 for estimating avg and std
[infer_isize] inferred external isize from 1185 pairs: 34258.846 +/- 27441.256
[infer_isize] skewness: 0.654; kurtosis: -0.699; ap_prior: 1.00e-05
[infer_isize] inferred maximum insert size: 200827 (6.07 sigma)

Those are some huge inserts. So since I am not doing any filtering of reads at this point - do you think my reads might be getting out-of-sync because they are demultiplexed? The only thing I am doing to the qseq files is deindexing, running qseq2fastq.pl and then running bwa aln. I'm using -A as a test right now to see if it brings things down from the 5 days or so each indexed sample was taking.

[dp05yk]

Yes - for samse, it's not really a big deal, hack up your FASTQs! The problems with FASTQ file mods are when you're pairing, because BWA will take each read from each file in order, and assume that each subsequent read from file one is a mate with the same subsequent read from file two.

[natpokah]

Yeah, the only reason to remove the reads with too many N before aligning was for our statistics down the line. We wanted to have meaningful % of unique match. And since sometimes the fastq comes with a lot of junk, calculating the % based on the whole set of reads would decrease artificially the % of Unique.
We basically wanted to start "fresh" with 'mappable" reads.
This is going to be useful if we run the samse on each end individually. But you are right, I will start from the raw fastq, remove my adapters and make sure I have the same number of reads in both fastq.
Thank you so much for your precious help!

[dp05yk]

Would the fact of sorting the fastq by ID name help speed up even more?

As long as the nth read in each mate file are actually mates for all n, then you're fine.

Also, since I filter reads that have to many "N" and I trim the adaptors, one read might not have a corresponding mate in the 2nd fastq. Would removing those reads help?

This is absolutely your problem. If you filter one read that has too many N's, you _need_ to also remove its mate-pair.

BWA assumes your two mate files have an equal number of reads and that read N in one file corresponds to read N in the other file in terms of being a mate-pair. If these files are not setup this way, it's no wonder you're getting such huge insert size estimates.

I'd be wary of preprocessing your FASTQ files for the above reasons - additionally, BWA will not be affected by many Ns in your input reads since Ns are treated as mismatches and these reads will be quickly thrown out anyways.

[natpokah]

Hi again!
So, -A worked wonders! Thank you!
Would the fact of sorting the fastq by ID name help speed up even more?
Also, since I filter reads that have to many "N" and I trim the adaptors, one read might not have a corresponding mate in the 2nd fastq. Would removing those reads help?
Thanks

[dp05yk]

Yeah, it's a weird feature. Using the -a parameter, it should be clear that you want to override the program's estimating process, but for some reason the -a parameter becomes a fallback value.

[natpokah]

Hi there!
Thanks for a quick reply!
You are totally right, the insert size estimate is huge and then sampe gets stuck hours trying to "align unmapped mate".
I will follow your advice and try the -A option.

Thanks!

[dp05yk]

Unfortunately BWA will ignore your -a specification if it believes it can estimate a better insert size. Could you post some of the stderr output? My guess is there's a huge insert size estimate being used which will lead to a long lag during "align unmapped mates".

Try the -A (capital A) parameter. This disables Smith-Waterman mate rescuing and will likely speed up your sampe run.

[natpokah]

We are trying to run sampe on sai files generated from fastq files obtained with hiseq2000. There is about 100 million pair ended 104 bases reads.
we have estimated insert size at about 200 to 500 depending on libraries.

we are running the following command line
bwa sampe -P -a 300 (or -a 600). We also tried -o values of 1, 100 or 100000.
but bwa runs really slowly. so far it has has run for 4 days and generated files about 1Gb. bwa is install on HPC system that should have the CPU and RAM it needs.
Any idea about what is causing the slow behavior?