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  • SamCurt
    Member
    • May 2010
    • 40

    #1

    Trademark-free Presentation of Ligation-based chemistries?

    Hi,

    I am going to have a brief TA-lecture involving next-gen sequencing and I'm now preparing the materials.

    While the DNA pol-based chemistries (454, Solexa, Ion Torrent etc) are easy to explain, I found the ligation-based chemistries (SOLiD, Complete Genomics) a bit difficult to teach without a visual aid.

    On the other hand, I wanted to avoid mentioning any trademarks as possible--so anyone have a good presentation of Ligation-based next-gen chemistries that bears no trademarks...?

    Thanks in advance!
  • Simon Anders
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 995

    #2
    Why don't you want to say the names of the companies and products you talk about? Or are you talking about copyright, not trademarks?

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    • SamCurt
      Member
      • May 2010
      • 40

      #3
      Originally posted by Simon Anders View Post
      Why don't you want to say the names of the companies and products you talk about? Or are you talking about copyright, not trademarks?
      I was talking about trademarks. I am not really feel like speaking, for example, "Illumina sequencing," in a class lecture, as I don't feel like I'm trying to promote products to students.

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      • rskr
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2010
        • 249

        #4
        Originally posted by Simon Anders View Post
        Why don't you want to say the names of the companies and products you talk about? Or are you talking about copyright, not trademarks?
        That is what salesmen who probably get paid much more are for. Academic integrity, it is refreshing.

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        • pmiguel
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2008
          • 2328

          #5
          Much of the original work that underpins the SOLiD's methodology was done in George Church's lab. It was published in Science (more details in the supplement). There is actually an instrument system based on this technology called the "Polonator".
          The ligation chemistry is actually pretty straight-forward. It is the color space stuff that is more mind-bending. But that is an independent concept.

          --
          Phillip

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          • SamCurt
            Member
            • May 2010
            • 40

            #6
            Originally posted by pmiguel View Post
            The ligation chemistry is actually pretty straight-forward. It is the color space stuff that is more mind-bending. But that is an independent concept.
            Ligation isn't that difficult, but provided pyro, reversible terminator and microconductor methods are all variations of the extension chemistry (IMO reversible terminator is just Sanger-on-a-chip) , it'd be a bit of a work to get people to switch gears.

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            • Simon Anders
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2010
              • 995

              #7
              Originally posted by SamCurt View Post
              I was talking about trademarks. I am not really feel like speaking, for example, "Illumina sequencing," in a class lecture, as I don't feel like I'm trying to promote products to students.
              Makes sense. In a way, the companies had the same problem when they first published their work and so had to coin a phrase for it besides their trademark which the journals certainly would not have liked to see in the title. Maybe look for these papers, they should have well-done, but trademark-free illustrations. (Googling for "[technology name] publications" usually gives a list; look through the early ones.

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              • rskr
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 249

                #8
                Originally posted by Simon Anders View Post
                Makes sense. In a way, the companies had the same problem when they first published their work and so had to coin a phrase for it besides their trademark which the journals certainly would not have liked to see in the title. Maybe look for these papers, they should have well-done, but trademark-free illustrations. (Googling for "[technology name] publications" usually gives a list; look through the early ones.
                What about patents, will the patents be trademark free? That could be a good source if they are, and they will be in the public domain as soon as they expire.

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                • GenoMax
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2008
                  • 7142

                  #9
                  But if you were not going to make them aware of who the current market leaders are in the respective technologies then you would not be giving them a comprehensive picture.

                  Many of the companies have videos on their sites that explain how the technology works. Why not use those links? It is publicly available information.

                  Originally posted by SamCurt View Post
                  I was talking about trademarks. I am not really feel like speaking, for example, "Illumina sequencing," in a class lecture, as I don't feel like I'm trying to promote products to students.

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                  • ECO
                    --Site Admin--
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 1360

                    #10
                    I think it's naive to put one's head in the sand regarding company commercialization of technologies.

                    While I don't advocate talking like it's a commercial, I see it as a disservice to your audience if you DON'T say something like "sequencing by synthesis as commercialized by Solexa-->illumina".

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                    • rskr
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 249

                      #11
                      Originally posted by ECO View Post
                      I think it's naive to put one's head in the sand regarding company commercialization of technologies.

                      While I don't advocate talking like it's a commercial, I see it as a disservice to your audience if you DON'T say something like "sequencing by synthesis as commercialized by Solexa-->illumina".
                      The standards of academic citation cover this cite the patent, cite the paper, however trademarks aren't really cite-able. IE, claiming that the process as discussed in class is essentially that of Illumina Solexa could create problems regarding trademark infringement. That is the purpose of trademarks.

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