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  • csquared
    Member
    • May 2008
    • 67

    Bottom Middle Swath and other focus issues

    Is anyone else seeing a pretty frequent loss of lanes or substantially reduced lane output due to focus issues related to bubbles in lanes or other focus issues when using v3 chemistry on the HiSeq?

    In our case, there is an instrument dependency where some HiSeqs are better than others. I know Illumina is working towards a fix for this problem but I was hoping to get an idea if the frequency we are seeing this issue is unusual.

    On the worst instrument, we are seeing it in the majority of lanes, losing anything from 30-60% of the lane output. The data can be cleaned up, but cleaning things up on a tile-by-tile basis becomes more time consuming than it is worth. Best machines we see it for a cycle or two in a single lane or so with minimal, but measurable effect in the final data.

    Hoping to hear what others are seeing. Thanks.
    HudsonAlpha Institute for Biotechnology
    http://www.hudsonalpha.org/gsl
  • GW_OK
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 411

    #2
    Yep, it's affecting a large swath (lol) of us:
    Ever since we have switched to v3 chemistry, we have noticed that we are loosing tiles randomly during imaging. There seem to be 3 specific phenotypes: 1. Loosing a few tiles for a cycle, and then it recovers. This can happen only once during the runs or several times. 2. Loosing the same tile many tiles during the run,

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    • RPiddock
      Lab Monkey
      • Jun 2011
      • 16

      #3
      We got a message from illumina regarding this quite recently (see attachment)
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      • HMorrison
        Senior Member
        • May 2009
        • 121

        #4
        Loss of focus and data

        Originally posted by RPiddock View Post
        We got a message from illumina regarding this quite recently (see attachment)
        As far as we know, there has been no solution offered for the problem of bubbles/focus/BMS dropout yet. Anyone heard otherwise?

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        • RPiddock
          Lab Monkey
          • Jun 2011
          • 16

          #5
          No solution has been given to us I'm afraid.

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          • GW_OK
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 411

            #6
            The latest HCS (1.5.1) should fix it:

            Originally posted by Illumina
            Bottom Middle Swath Update
            Jan 18 2012
            Occasionally, a HiSeq will be unable to correctly focus on a swath (1/6th of a lane on the flowcell) for a single cycle. This usually happens on the middle swath of the bottom surface of the flow cell, hence the name BMS (for "bottom middle swath"). Illumina has determined that when a bubble forms at the inlet of a lane, it can prevent accurate determination of the focus position needed to scan a swath from that lane. As a result, the data from that swath is sometimes out of focus and could result in no-call bases ("N" basecalls) for just that cycle. The wider lanes on the v3 flowcells cause this loss of focus most often on the bottom middle swath.

            Illumina R&D has developed a new version of the HiSeq firmware that reduces occurrences of BMS. This works by identifying bubbles in the region of the lane used for focusing and preventing focusing on bubbles. During testing of this firmware, they identified some changes that would lead to better identification and avoidance of bubbles. These changes were made in a new firmware version, which is currently undergoing final testing. We expect to release this firmware in February 2012.

            If you are experiencing occasional loss of focus resulting in a drop in intensity and base calls of "N" for the affected cycle, be sure you have upgraded to HCS 1.4.8 as a mitigation until the new firmware is released . If you have additional questions, please contact Illumina Technical Support at [email protected].

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            • HMorrison
              Senior Member
              • May 2009
              • 121

              #7
              Originally posted by GW_OK View Post
              The latest HCS (1.5.1) should fix it:
              If it's ever available.

              "Thank you for contacting Illumina Technical Support.

              We are still completing testing for this "fix". We don’t have an exact timeline at the moment, but we will let you know when the information is available. Thank you for your patience.

              If you have any additional questions, please feel free to email or call us.

              Kind regards,
              Zheng"

              Zheng Xu, Ph.D.
              Technical Applications Scientist
              Illumina Technical Support
              Illumina, Inc.
              North America: 800.809.4566
              Global contacts: www.illumina.com/support.ilmn
              Website: www.illumina.com

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              • GW_OK
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 411

                #8
                But it is available? We've got it. It's on icom:

                Originally posted by icom
                HCS 1.5.15 is released for HiSeq and HiScan SQ

                Feb 21 2012

                HCS 1.5.15 is now available for download to your HiSeq and HiScan SQ systems. New features include support for dual indexing and warnings when there is not enough disk space available to start the sequencing run. HCS 1.5.15 also fixes a memory leak that could lead to the RTA software freezing up, and has a new tile layout that reduces the RTA memory footprint. Release notes and the installer can be found at https://my.illumina.com/download/sum...9UKStokGqhI96Q.

                For further assistance please contact [email protected].

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                • HMorrison
                  Senior Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 121

                  #9
                  not the 'fix'

                  The release notes say nothing about "BMS" or bubble problem.

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                  • hoisinjl
                    Member
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 23

                    #10
                    Nope, 1.15.1 doesn't fix the BMS, supposedly the next release - but have heard that before.

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                    • GW_OK
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 411

                      #11
                      Huh. Well.

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                      • HMorrison
                        Senior Member
                        • May 2009
                        • 121

                        #12
                        Originally posted by GW_OK View Post
                        Huh. Well.
                        So does this mean you haven't been adversely affected by loss of focus?

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                        • GW_OK
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 411

                          #13
                          I have had BMS dropouts, yes, but there seems to be less of it now, if any. Whether it's the new HCS, or the fiddling (something about changing the focus window) my FES did when he was here on an unrelated matter I can't say for sure.

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                          • HMorrison
                            Senior Member
                            • May 2009
                            • 121

                            #14
                            We are still seeing LOTS of it, and engineers have been out here twice, disassembled the instrument and put it back together. No use. See the pretty picture. I can find lots more. Also note that this isn't bottom middle, it's bottom left and bigger than a single swath anyway. I checked our software and we're at the latest version (engineers did the installation). Guess your engineers are better fiddlers or we've got a lemon.
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                            • GW_OK
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 411

                              #15
                              You picture is a bubble, it looks like, not exactly killing your entire swath. I've got bubbles like that for sure, but it's not the dreaded BM(LR)S.

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