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  • PatrickReed
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 2

    Super Large Reference Genome

    I am working on a project in which i am analyzing RNAseq data from fused interspecific cell types, specifically mouse cells and rat cells, and then performing. Being confident that a given read came from the mouse genome or the rat genome is crucial thus the optimal reference genome would be the union of mm9.fa and rn4.fa, but the size is too large for build with bowtie/tophat. Is their anyway to build this reference genome? Why is there a set limit on the size that a reference genome can be. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I know there are work arounds by performing alignemnts to one genome then the other and looking at differences and overlap so on and so forth but this is not optimal.

    Cheers,
  • maubp
    Peter (Biopython etc)
    • Jul 2009
    • 1544

    #2
    Are you trying to use a single concatenated sequence? Is so, why not use a multi-entry FASTA file containing both the rat and the mouse chromosomes?

    The SAM/BAM format itself has a limit of 2^31 - 1 base pairs for each reference sequence, or about 2Gbp (2 billion base pairs). In theory this could be raised to 2^32 - 1 or about 4Gbp but it would cause trouble for Java tools. However, you are much more likely to hit a limitation in the current BAM indexing scheme (BAI files) of 512Mbp (or half a billion base pairs), which is a problem for some organisms - but not for mice, rats or humans!

    Perhaps there is some other limiting factor in bowtie/tophat as well?

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    • ffinkernagel
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2009
      • 110

      #3
      Yes, bowtie indices use 32 unsigned integers which limits them to about 4gb.
      Going up to 64 bit integers would double the memory requirement and probably also slow down the alignment process.

      You could extend bowtie to allow larger genomes - the SeqAn library it uses should even make this a pretty straightforward endeavour. Better ask the authors how to go about it though.

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      • PatrickReed
        Junior Member
        • Oct 2011
        • 2

        #4
        Thanks ffinkernagel, thats really helpful, i'll start looking at the SeqAn library and try to get in contact with the authors.

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