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You wouldn't happen to be trying to do a metagenomic analysis, would you? If you have a different sample population for each condition, then that might explain the differences that you're seeing.
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No. You're expecting points looking like a triangle (or diamond) shaped wedge elongated along the Y axis, centered on the Y axis. I've attached an example based on DESeq results. The DESeq2 plot should look similar, but narrows down to a point for low expression values. If you're not getting that (and all other steps check out), then it suggests that your experimental conditions aren't appropriately controlled.Attached FilesLast edited by gringer; 06-26-2014, 09:28 PM.
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I tried
Code:>cdsFilt = estimateDispersions(cdsFilt, method = "blind", sharingMode="fit-only)
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Code:> head (counts_table) water_1 water_2 ph5_1 ph5_2 ph9_1 ph9_2 anaerobic_1 anaerobic_2 FN649414.4579 500 243 133 647 141 114 222 106 FN649414.7957 23 20 10 91 12 13 13 6 FN649414.7767 135 50 55 321 52 43 96 53 p948.168 5 0 0 0 0 0 66 28 aerobic_1 aerobic_2 FN649414.4579 50 113 FN649414.7957 16 34 FN649414.7767 33 101 p948.168 0 0
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Can you show the first few lines of results (and/or your count table)? The rest of what you've got looks fine.
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Am I formatting the conditions file wrongly:
This is my exp_design file:
Code:>exp_design condition water_1 water water_2 water ph5_1 ph5 ph5_2 ph5 ph9_1 ph9 ph9_2 ph9 anaerobic_1 anaerobic anaerobic_2 anaerobic aerobic_1 aerobic aerobic_2 aerobic
Code:conds = exp_design$condition cds = newCountDataSet(counts_table, conds)
Code:ddsFullCountTable <- DESeqDataSetFromMatrix(countData = counts_table, colData = exp_design, design = ~condition)
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I tried DESeq2 and the results are not very different. The p values distribution and the MA plot using DESeq2 are attached.
Here are the formats for the counts table and design:
Code:>conditions(cds) water_1 water_2 ph5_1 ph5_2 ph9_1 ph9_2 water water ph5 ph5 ph9 ph9 anaerobic_1 anaerobic_2 aerobic_1 aerobic_2 anaerobic anaerobic aerobic aerobic Levels: aerobic anaerobic ph5 ph9 water
Code:> colnames(counts_table) [1] "water_1" "water_2" "ph5_1" "ph5_2" "ph9_1" [6] "ph9_2" "anaerobic_1" "anaerobic_2" "aerobic_1" "aerobic_2"
Code:>conds [1] water water ph5 ph5 ph9 ph9 anaerobic [8] anaerobic aerobic aerobic Levels: aerobic anaerobic ph5 ph9 water
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I am not subsampling, and I am using the raw counts as input to DESeq and not DESeq2.
The only reason I can think of off the top of my head why increased expression in both groups would result in increased log2 fold change is if one of the groups had 0 expression for all genes. Can you show the first few lines of your results, i.e. "head(res)"? I think DESeq (v1, not v2) should report estimated/normalised expression for each group in that result.
If that is the problem, then you may have chosen your condition names incorrectly in the nbinomTest command:
Code:> conditions(cds) [1] "water" "aerobic" # should be something like this
Code:> colnames(counts_table) [1] "water_r1" "water_r2" "aerobic_r1" "aerobic_r2" # something like this > dim(counts_table) [1] 30215 4 # should be something like this > conds [1] "water" "water" "aerobic" "aerobic" # should be something like this
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Hi gringer
Thanks for the prompt reply.
I am not subsampling, and I am using the raw counts as input to DESeq and not DESeq2.
I ran the following to generate the MA plot:
Code:cds = newCountDataSet(counts_table, conds) cds <- estimateSizeFactors(cds) cds <- estimateDispersions(cds) res = nbinomTest(cds, "water", "aerobic") # one of the conditions vs control plotMA(res)
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Based on the MA plot, I'm guessing you're using DESeq2, rather than DESeq, which is good.
However, your MA plot looks crazy. It should be distributed around the y axis (0 log2 fold change).
I've got no idea what would do that, but it certainly indicates something screwy is going on. Are you sub-sampling genes prior to running them through DESeq2? Are you using normalised counts as input, instead of raw counts? What command did you run to produce this MA plot?
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non-typical p values distribution running DESeq
Hi All
I have 2 reps*5 conditions (4 + control). I ran followed the nature protocol to come to differentially expressed genes between each of the 4 conditions relative to the control.
The distribution of p values looks is attached for one of the conditions as well as the corresponding MA plot. I am getting too many differentially expressed genes (below) and the p values distribution doesn't look like expected.
Would you please advise what I could be missing ? or is such a distribution of p values expected in some cases and why ?
Thank you very much
Alyaa
Code:> table (res$padj < 0.1) FALSE TRUE 3245 3578 > table (res$padj < 0.01) FALSE TRUE 4813 2010 > table (res$padj < 0.05) FALSE TRUE 3862 2961
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