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  • id0
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2012
    • 130

    stranded bacterial RNA-seq

    We did a stranded RNA-seq library prep on a bacterial sample (Mycobacterium tuberculosis). When using this kit for human/mouse/fly, the correct strand is always "second" or "reverse" strand (different tools have different nomenclature). This time, I am getting 90% of the reads on the other strand. It doesn't make much sense to me that the reads would somehow be on the wrong strand. At worst, they should be 50/50. Do the bacterial annotations have different assumptions? Should I be concerned?
    Last edited by id0; 04-07-2015, 01:26 PM.
  • Michael.Ante
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 127

    #2
    Hi,
    a lot of strand-specific RNA-Seq kits produce "reverse" reads. See http://seqanswers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50459 and http://seqanswers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50711.
    I'd guess it is more a library-prep issue than an annotation issue; so I don't think you should be concerned.

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    • id0
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2012
      • 130

      #3
      Originally posted by Michael.Ante View Post
      Hi,
      a lot of strand-specific RNA-Seq kits produce "reverse" reads. See http://seqanswers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50459 and http://seqanswers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50711.
      I'd guess it is more a library-prep issue than an annotation issue; so I don't think you should be concerned.
      I think you misunderstood my question. I am familiar with the kit and I've used it for other species many times. The reads are always "reverse". Now I did bacteria and they are not "reverse".

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      • bastianwur
        Member
        • Feb 2014
        • 98

        #4
        Reverse while mapping, or reverse when doing an assembly?

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        • pmiguel
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2008
          • 2328

          #5
          What kit are you using?

          Yes, if you use the same kit in the same way your strandedness should remain the same.

          My first suspicion would be that the annotation for your Mycobacterium is wrong.

          --
          Phillip

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          • id0
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2012
            • 130

            #6
            Originally posted by pmiguel View Post
            What kit are you using?

            Yes, if you use the same kit in the same way your strandedness should remain the same.

            My first suspicion would be that the annotation for your Mycobacterium is wrong.
            The kit is ScriptSeq Complete Gold Kit (http://www.illumina.com/products/scr...demiology.html). It even says on the website: "choose the FR=secondstrand option". That always works fine for me.

            I am also concerned that the annotation is wrong, but I am using the references from Ensembl (http://bacteria.ensembl.org/mycobact..._2/Info/Index/). I assume their info would be consistent across all species. I never ran into any issues like this with non-bacterial references.

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            • GenoMax
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 7142

              #7
              It would be odd to have entire genome annotation wrong from Ensembl (but strange things do happen). Are you using the GFF file Ensembl is providing?

              Can you compare the annotation from NCBI: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genome/?...culosis+H37Rv?

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              • pmiguel
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2008
                • 2328

                #8
                When you write "This time, I am getting 90% of the reads on the other strand." what do you mean by "getting". I presume you use some program or browser to derive this figure? What program or browser did you use? Was it the same one you used for previous projects?
                --
                Phillip

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                • id0
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2012
                  • 130

                  #9
                  Originally posted by GenoMax View Post
                  It would be odd to have entire genome annotation wrong from Ensembl (but strange things do happen). Are you using the GFF file Ensembl is providing?

                  Can you compare the annotation from NCBI: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/genome/?...culosis+H37Rv?
                  I used the Ensembl GFF. I also tried the NCBI GFF. Similar result with both.

                  I use Picard CollectRnaSeqMetrics to collect the stats. It also generates graphs for normalized coverage across transcript. Usually, the middle is much higher than the ends. With this RNA-seq, the ends are actually slightly higher.

                  It's really bizarre. I've never seen anything like this.

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                  • pmiguel
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 2328

                    #10
                    Actually Illumina has excellent tech support. I suggest you phone or email them. There may be something obvious happening, but it isn't apparent to me.

                    --
                    Phillip

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