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  • Chiper
    Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 13

    #1

    Strange higher size amplicon in ChIP seq Library!!

    Hi, I am seeing a strange amplicon ~2Kb long in all my libraries beside expected ~250-300bp amplicon (picture attached).

    I perform ChIP using DNA sheared with bioruptor which peaks ~500bp. I work with low cell number so I get ~5-10 ng after ChIP. Post IP this DNA is further sheared using Covaris and processed for library preparation as per the Solid ChIP-seq library preparation protocol. I used to get ~250-300 bp DNA as expected but in all my recent samples I could see a higher size amplicon ~2 KB beside the expected amplicon. I am not able to find any logical explanation for this!! Has anyone seen this before?

    Can I still use these libraries for sequencing after size selection? I am afraid I might introduce bias in my samples. Please help.
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  • pmiguel
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2008
    • 2328

    #2
    Your loading dye is tricking you.

    The higher molecular weight DNA you see is just the top of a smear of concatamers of your monomer amplicons. The loading dye is blocking signal from the middle section of the smear. Thus the very top of the smear appears to be a band.

    Over amplification of your amplicons is said to be a source of such a smear.

    --
    Phillip

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    • Chiper
      Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 13

      #3
      Dear Phillip,
      Thanks for your reply. The band I see is not a smear since I also loaded samples on Bio Analyzer High sensitivity chip and in almost all the samples it is a band around 1.5-2KB region with no DNA in between. In one sample I also saw another faint band around 500 bp.
      I amplified the libraries from 12-14 cycles and given the starting amount I had I don't see much on Lonza gel if I amplify less than this. Do you think that concatamers of monomer amplicons can be a source of such band?

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      • pmiguel
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2008
        • 2328

        #4
        Originally posted by Chiper View Post
        Dear Phillip,
        Thanks for your reply. The band I see is not a smear since I also loaded samples on Bio Analyzer High sensitivity chip and in almost all the samples it is a band around 1.5-2KB region with no DNA in between. In one sample I also saw another faint band around 500 bp.
        Ah, well then your loading dye tricked me. I saw the loading dye and just assumed there would be DNA it was hiding.

        Originally posted by Chiper View Post
        I amplified the libraries from 12-14 cycles and given the starting amount I had I don't see much on Lonza gel if I amplify less than this. Do you think that concatamers of monomer amplicons can be a source of such band?
        Well it does not take much DNA -- for each ng there are 5 billion 200 bp amplicons. So it is better not to over-amplify.

        Can you post the high sensitivity chip picture? That would help me decide whether the 2 kb band is a concatamer or something else.

        --
        Phillip

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        • Chiper
          Member
          • Dec 2009
          • 13

          #5
          Dear Philip,
          Sorry for the late reply. Please find the pictures attached.
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          • pmiguel
            Senior Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 2328

            #6
            Yes that looks like "overamplification", even though you only did 10-14 cycles. I don't know what causes it, but I remember pictures of the phenomenon from the v1 manual we used during SOLiD fragment library construction training in Foster City.

            --
            Phillip

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