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  • oliPap
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2016
    • 4

    ChIP seq DNA starting material

    Hello,
    I'm new in the ChIP-seq field and had issues with my first experiment. I started with 5 ng of ChIP-DNA (as measured with Qubit, bioanalyser gave slightly different results)then followed the Illumina protocol with 18 cycles of PCR. When the sequence went back, I found >95% of duplication. The only peaks identified by macs seem to be PCR artifact. The antibody I used was validated by western blot and mass spec analysis after immunoprecipitation. So I know that the IP step is working.

    I was considering re-doing the experiment increasing the amount of DNA to start with and maybe decreasing the number of PCR cycles.

    Illumina recommends 5<<10 ng of DNA as starting material. Does anybody tried to start with more ie 30-50 ng? Looks to me as the only way to get better results

    any help will be greatly appreciated.
    many thanks
    Olivier
  • pmiguel
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2008
    • 2328

    #2
    Did the bioanalyzer show the ChIP-DNA in a good size range (~100-700bp)?

    Personally I don't understand why Illumina's ChipSeq kit uses an agarose gel band extraction. Even if you are pretty good at extracting DNA from agarose, it is good way to lose >90% of the DNA.

    --
    Phillip

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    • oliPap
      Junior Member
      • Dec 2016
      • 4

      #3
      Hi Phillip,
      thank you for your answer
      yes the size of the fragment was fine according to the bioanalyser.
      Did you succesfully run Chip seq without the gel extraction step?

      thanks
      Olivier

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      • pmiguel
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2008
        • 2328

        #4
        Any chance you could post the bioanalyzer chromatogram of your input DNA? I ask because we always run this as QC, but I never see example chromatograms in ChipSeq kit manuals of this step. (They always have a picture of the library, after PCR amplification, instead.)

        We switched to the Bioo ChipSeq kit -- it doesn't use a gel extraction kit. I think that as a result of this it is able to specify 1 ng of input DNA.

        That said, the libraries we made from the Illumina ChIPseq kit starting with 5ng of DNA were in the 40-60% duplicate read range. We did once make a set of libraries that had a similar level of duplication to yours -- but in most cases those started with an amount of DNA below the level of detection of the Qubit. (For one ul -- if we had used the entire sample, for fluorimetry we may have been able to detect its concentration. But there was no point doing that...)

        --
        Phillip

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        • oliPap
          Junior Member
          • Dec 2016
          • 4

          #5
          bioanalyser data here:

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          • oliPap
            Junior Member
            • Dec 2016
            • 4

            #6
            sorry, the previous link is not working.
            here:http://imgur.com/a/CRUzA

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            • pmiguel
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2008
              • 2328

              #7
              Originally posted by oliPap View Post
              sorry, the previous link is not working.
              here:http://imgur.com/a/CRUzA
              That is input? Wow, that looks great.

              --
              Phillip

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