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  • nupurgupta
    Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 29

    #1

    BLAST+ strange results

    I am running command line blastn with a local copy of a microbial database. My command looks like

    blastn -query query.txt -db 16SMicrobial -out newres.txt -wordsize 11 -evalue 10 -gapextend 2 -gapopen 5 -penalty -3 -reward 1 This gives me 81 hits, they all have the same score such as

    Sequences producing significant alignments: Score (Bits) E Value

    ref|NR042397.1| Dokdonella fugitiva strain : A3 16S ribosomal R... 28.2 6.3
    ref|NR041093.1| Streptomyces rubiginosohelvolus strain NBRC 129... 28.2 6.3
    ref|NR041539.1| Kitasatospora kazusensis strain SK60 16S riboso... 28.2 6.3
    ref|NR041538.1| Kitasatospora saccharophila strain SK15 16S rib... 28.2 6.3
    ref|NR_044150.1| Streptomyces omiyaensis strain NRRL B-1587 16S ... 28.2 6.3
    ...

    Isn't that strange?

    Further, I repeated the query(same parameters) on the NCBI website, and that gave 162 hits. e.g.

    NC017551.1 Leptospira interrogans serovar Lai str. IPAV chromosome chromosome 1, complete sequence 398 398 100% 1e-108 100%
    NC008463.1 Pseudomonas aeruginosa UCBPP-PA14 chromosome, complete genome 398 398 100% 1e-108 100%
    NC_002516.2 Pseudomonas aeruginosa PAO1 chromosome, complete genome 398 398 100% 1e-108 100%

    I tried to compare the two, e.g. I looked for "Kitasatospora " from the former in the latter set of results, and could not find any matches. What am I doing wrong ?!
  • chris
    Member
    • Apr 2008
    • 52

    #2
    Originally posted by nupurgupta View Post
    I am running command line blastn with a local copy of a microbial database. My command looks like

    blastn -query query.txt -db 16SMicrobial -out newres.txt -wordsize 11 -evalue 10 -gapextend 2 -gapopen 5 -penalty -3 -reward 1 This gives me 81 hits, they all have the same score such as

    Sequences producing significant alignments: Score (Bits) E Value

    ref|NR042397.1| Dokdonella fugitiva strain : A3 16S ribosomal R... 28.2 6.3
    ref|NR041093.1| Streptomyces rubiginosohelvolus strain NBRC 129... 28.2 6.3
    ref|NR041539.1| Kitasatospora kazusensis strain SK60 16S riboso... 28.2 6.3
    ref|NR041538.1| Kitasatospora saccharophila strain SK15 16S rib... 28.2 6.3
    ref|NR_044150.1| Streptomyces omiyaensis strain NRRL B-1587 16S ... 28.2 6.3
    ...

    Isn't that strange?
    Not to me. Those scores are very poor and probably the worst that can be reported by BLAST for your database. So, although they are *hits* I doubt they are meaningful.

    Further, I repeated the query(same parameters) on the NCBI website, and that gave 162 hits. e.g.

    NC017551.1 Leptospira interrogans serovar Lai str. IPAV chromosome chromosome 1, complete sequence 398 398 100% 1e-108 100%
    NC008463.1 Pseudomonas aeruginosa UCBPP-PA14 chromosome, complete genome 398 398 100% 1e-108 100%
    NC_002516.2 Pseudomonas aeruginosa PAO1 chromosome, complete genome 398 398 100% 1e-108 100%

    I tried to compare the two, e.g. I looked for "Kitasatospora " from the former in the latter set of results, and could not find any matches. What am I doing wrong ?!
    I suspect your searching against different databases as the NCBI hits don't look like 16S matches to your queries.

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    • nupurgupta
      Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 29

      #3
      Thanks for the perspective. But I downloaded the microbial database from ncbi. ftp://ftp.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/blast/db/16SMicrobial.tar.gz
      . I assumed that was the entire microbial database that online NCBI was also using for BLAST. Maybe not, let me see if I can find a FASTA file for all bacteria/microbes that I can use to build a database.
      Thanks very very much. This is a huge help

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      • chris
        Member
        • Apr 2008
        • 52

        #4
        It would help if you stated the name of the database you used on NCBI. Then a judgement can be made as to whether you're comparing like with like.

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        • nupurgupta
          Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 29

          #5
          I was using NCBI blast on microbial data.

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          • drdna
            Member
            • May 2012
            • 76

            #6
            I am not surprised at all. My guess is that your query has a chance (and very short) match to a conserved sequence within the ribosomal 16s sequence. Have you tried looking at the alignments? I predict that every alignment will be the same.

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            • nupurgupta
              Member
              • Aug 2010
              • 29

              #7
              Yes, you are right! Sorry I am a newbie to this. Have found a bacterial database

              ftp://ftp.ncbi.nih.gov/gene/DATA/GEN...haea_Bacteria/

              Am going to get it now.

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