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  • krausezuhause
    Junior Member
    • May 2013
    • 5

    DESq2 lrt with multiple factors and batch effect

    Dear all,
    I have a question concerning a multiple factor analysis with a batch effect reflecting the day of the library preparation (2 dates). I am using the likrlihood ratio test in DESeq2. My variable of interest is a continious variable indicating how much a person is exposed. Further I want to control for possible confounders sex, age and BMI.

    My first question would be if the design makes sense:

    Code:
    dds <- DESeqDataSetFromMatrix(countData = MyCounts,
                                    colData = MyData,
                                    design = ~libbatch + sex + age + BMI + Exposure)
    
    dds<-DESeq(dds,test= "LRT",full = design(dds),reduced = ~libbatch)
    
    res<-results(dds,name = "Exposure" ,pAdjustMethod = "fdr")
    or would I need to do something like this:


    Code:
    dds<-DESeq(dds,test= "LRT",full = design(dds),reduced = ~libbatch + sex + age + BMI +)
    And the second question concerning the results:
    Why are so many NAs among the adjusted pvalues? and why are many of them equal?


    res<-results(dds,name = "Expo.delta" ,pAdjustMethod = "fdr")
    baseMean log2FoldChange lfcSE stat pvalue padj
    gene1 13009.48564 -0.0005561894 0.001880162 25.89735 0.0002326616 0.01561069
    gene2 163.28590 -0.0043968404 0.003520945 25.21172 0.0003119647 0.01561069
    gene4 88.93107 -0.0074868961 0.006939026 26.88819 0.0001519605 0.01561069
    gene5 121.15589 -0.0092059826 0.004727699 25.50741 0.0002749380 0.01561069
    ... ... ... ... ... ... ...
    genex 24.22494 -0.0117729650 0.011910591 5.048386 0.5376224 NA
    geney 23.03576 0.0070158920 0.010191693 5.260325 0.5108840 NA

    Many thanks for your help!
    Last edited by krausezuhause; 01-25-2017, 05:09 AM.
  • dpryan
    Devon Ryan
    • Jul 2011
    • 3478

    #2
    Your reduced design should be "~libbatch + sex + age + BMI", though I'm curious why you explicitly want an LRT.

    The NAs are probably due to independent filtering. I'd have to look up which method the "fdr" correction is using, I only ever use the standard BH method.

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    • krausezuhause
      Junior Member
      • May 2013
      • 5

      #3
      I did not know you can also correct for a batch effect using the Wald test.
      How would the model look like then? the reduced model is ignored in a Wald test.

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      • dpryan
        Devon Ryan
        • Jul 2011
        • 3478

        #4
        Your full design is the same for Wald and LRT, only the latter needs a reduced design.

        Code:
        dds <- DESeqDataSetFromMatrix(countData = MyCounts,
                                        colData = MyData,
                                        design = ~libbatch + sex + age + BMI + Exposure)
        dds<-DESeq(dds)
        res <- resuls(dds) # I think this will default to Exposure, being the last variable in the design

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        • krausezuhause
          Junior Member
          • May 2013
          • 5

          #5
          and what would be the interpretation of this model?

          dds <- DESeqDataSetFromMatrix(countData = MyCounts,
          colData = MyData,
          design = ~libbatch + sex + age + BMI + Exposure)

          dds<-DESeq(dds,test= "LRT",full = design(dds),reduced = ~libbatch)
          Only correcting for batch effect and the other confounders are ignored?

          Thanks for your reply!

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          • dpryan
            Devon Ryan
            • Jul 2011
            • 3478

            #6
            ? It's the same model, you're still correcting for the batch and accounting for changes in the confounders. You're just getting your p-value according to whether the log2FC of "Exposure" is different from 0 (Wald test) as opposed to whether the full or reduced models fit better (LRT).

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            • krausezuhause
              Junior Member
              • May 2013
              • 5

              #7
              So If I understand correctly now, with the LRT above I account for batch and confounders but can not relate the significant genes to exposure?

              I get about 300 significant hits with the LRT (reduced = ~libbatch) model, but 0 hits with the Wald or LRT (reduced = ~libbatch + sex + age + BMI )

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              • dpryan
                Devon Ryan
                • Jul 2011
                • 3478

                #8
                Your confounders are masking any effect of exposure. Sorry your results didn't turn out better.

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                • krausezuhause
                  Junior Member
                  • May 2013
                  • 5

                  #9
                  Many thanks for the explanation!

                  Comment

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