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  • nb509
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 4

    #1

    DESeq: question about with replicates and without any replicates.

    hi
    I have 4 samples, A1,A2,B1,B2.
    two conditions:A,B. each conditions have two replicates.

    when I feed the reads count to the DESeq with replicates and without any replicates, the results vary greatly.

    1.With replicates(A1A2-VS-B1B2), I get about 12000 DEGs(padj<0.1).
    2.Without any replicates(A1-VS-B1), I get about only 200 DEGs(padj<0.1).

    Both of the MA-plot are attached.

    When working without any replicates, it sames that many informations are lossed, even the fold change is very high. Such as the gene "23416":

    HTML Code:
    "id"	"baseMean"	"baseMeanA"	"baseMeanB"	"foldChange"	"log2FoldChange"	"pval"	"padj"
    "without replicates"	292.791254092328	9.3250242940964	576.25748389056	61.7968882135121	5.94946228783961	0.0039474188223427	0.179640885315504
    "with replicates" 285.324742802128        12.0227636114328        558.626721992823        46.4640859661922        5.53804412255897        5.31049903576043e-59    6.44978249349437e-58
    how to explain this?

    PS:
    HTML Code:
    head(countsTable)
    gene	A1	A2	B1	B2
    57573	104	67	233	224
    8563	357	346	110	104
    8434	88	94	94	120
    10309	33	23	11	14
    7652	17	16	1	0
    HTML Code:
    #With replicates
    countsTable <- read.delim("A1A2B1B2",header=TRUE, stringsAsFactors=TRUE, row.names="gene")
    conds <- factor(c( "A", "A","B","B"))
    cds <- newCountDataSet( countsTable, conds )
    cds <- estimateSizeFactors( cds, locfunc=shorth )
    cds <- estimateDispersions( cds )
    res <- nbinomTest( cds, "A", "B" )
    HTML Code:
    #Without any replicates
    cds11 <- cds[,c("A1","B1")]
    cds11 <- estimateDispersions(cds,method="blind", fitType ="local",sharingMode="fit-only") #is right here?
    res112 <- nbinomTest(cds112,"A","B")
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    Last edited by nb509; 10-25-2011, 04:32 AM.
  • nb509
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 4

    #2
    The two images were uploaded.


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    • Simon Anders
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2010
      • 995

      #3
      I'm not sure what your question is.

      Of course you hardly get any usable results without replicates. This is, after all, why it is so important to have them.

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