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  • retardia
    Junior Member
    • May 2010
    • 1

    #1

    CEGMA with custom set of proteins

    Hi there,

    I am trying to use CEGMA with a custom set of alignment that I maintain, instead of the default KOGs. When running in a custom mode, one has to provide HMM profiles created with HMMER and "choose a cutoff for each profile". Example from the CEGMA readme:

    cegma --genome sample.dna --prot_num 4 --protein ORTH.fa \\
    --hmm_prefix ORTH --hmm_profiles hmm_profiles/ \\
    --cutoff_file profiles_cutoff.tbl

    I have 2 questions:

    1. Anyone knows what "the cutoff for the HMMER alignments" refers to, and how the default profiles_cutoff.tbl file was generated?

    1. Do I understand it right that all alignments need to have the same number of sequences, in order to satisfy the —prot_num argument?

    Any tips would be greatly appreciated, many many thanks.

    Fabien
  • ssully
    Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 48

    #2
    Originally posted by retardia View Post
    Hi there,

    I am trying to use CEGMA with a custom set of alignment that I maintain, instead of the default KOGs. When running in a custom mode, one has to provide HMM profiles created with HMMER and "choose a cutoff for each profile". Example from the CEGMA readme:

    cegma --genome sample.dna --prot_num 4 --protein ORTH.fa \\
    --hmm_prefix ORTH --hmm_profiles hmm_profiles/ \\
    --cutoff_file profiles_cutoff.tbl

    I have 2 questions:

    1. Anyone knows what "the cutoff for the HMMER alignments" refers to, and how the default profiles_cutoff.tbl file was generated?

    1. Do I understand it right that all alignments need to have the same number of sequences, in order to satisfy the —prot_num argument?

    Any tips would be greatly appreciated, many many thanks.

    Fabien

    I'd like to revive this thread because it was never answered...and I have the same questions ;>

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    • mendezg
      Junior Member
      • Oct 2014
      • 2

      #3
      I'll revive this again since neither of you got any answers. I came across this when looking for help with a different cegma question.

      The cutoff values are calculated as described in their paper. For each gene they took their alignment (of 6 taxa) and created every sub alignment of n-1 taxa. They created hmms from the n-1 alignments. Then they did an hmmsearch of the missing taxa with the hmm. They took the score of each of those searches and averaged them and then divided by 2 to generate the cutoff value.

      I created a shell script to generate these scores, if anyone is interested.

      The prot_num argument does mean that you will need all the alignments to have the same number of sequences. I wrote a shell script to bin all the genes based on prot_number. Another script then runs cegma with each binned prot_number.

      Another issue that comes up is that the hmm used in hmm_profiles needs to be generated by hmmer 2.3.2 and calibrated using hmmcalibrate. If you use an hmm generated by hmmer 3 you get an error.

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